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AMERICAN THEATRE | Diep Tran Is Excited to Lead Playbill—Effectively, Excited and Scared


Diep Tran. (Photograph by Heather Gershonowitz)

Diep Tran and I labored collectively at this journal for almost a decade, and if I could say so myself, these had been thrilling and fascinating instances for American Theatre, to not point out for the American theatre. In her writing for the journal she lined every part from tendencies in immersive theatre to performs about younger girlhood, from the crushing influence of scholar debt to the struggles of survivors of abuse and harassment within the office, from management turnover to the economics of Off-Off-Broadway. A specific amount of her work was what you may name meta-critical—i.e., writing and fascinated by how the theatre area is roofed, whose voices get elevated and suppressed, and diversify not solely the themes we cowl however our personal ranks. Alongside these strains, she gave this influential speech and co-created the podcast Token Theatre Mates.

Diep’s expertise and entrepreneurial drive, and her typically well-founded critiques of the theatre trade, made me assume she may search and discover work protecting one other area. Whereas I’m certain she thought-about that highway, I used to be heartened to study a bit over a month in the past that she and I are colleagues once more, albeit on totally different mastheads: Diep is now the brand new editor-in-chief of Playbill, the main writer of theatre packages in addition to a full-time theatre information web site.

On the finish of her first eventful week there, I acquired collectively along with her over lunch in Queens to speak concerning the new job and what she’s been as much as within the years since she left AT. (Observe: After we spoke, Playbill made information for going darkish on Twitter in protest of the location’s “tolerance for hate, negativity, and misinformation”; by e-mail yesterday, Diep instructed me that whereas she supported the choice, it wasn’t her name, although she will apparently take credit score for the priceless headline “Bye Bye Birdie.”)


ROB WEINERT-KENDT: Congratulations. Does this publish put you accountable for each the web site and the print publication?

DIEP TRAN: Sure, each the packages you obtain at Broadway, Off-Broadway, and main regional homes—I edit the articles in these…

And the restaurant listings?

No, another person does these. I don’t endorse eating places! After which I additionally oversee the every day on-line publication. My buddies have instructed me I am Playbill. No strain! [Laughs]

Does Playbill produce other platforms, like podcasts and such?

Now we have video. It’s fairly a distinction with American Theatre: Now we have a workers photographer, a workers videographer. And proper now I’m ideating not simply print content material and net content material, but additionally video, Fb, TikTok—I’m going to assist work out construct up a much bigger social media presence. It’s an enormous job!

I do know you simply began, however are you able to give me an impression of the place Playbill is now and the place you wish to take it?

For context, I’m on Day 5. I’m actually pleased with how briskly Playbill will get issues up—we actually wish to be the primary to interrupt an enormous piece of theatre information, and I depend on the diligence of the staff for that. Proper now I see my job as actually deepening the options that we do, to actually ask extra probing questions of our sources, and to jot down longer options that will not match on a 400-word web page in this system. Proper now lots of people who work within the area are being much more trustworthy about what it’s to have a life within the theatre, and I need Playbill to be the place the place they’ll voice loads of their desires and their issues.

I do know that Playbill doesn’t publish theatre criticism.

Proper, however we do publish roundups of opinions, so these websites do get the clicks. We’re doing our half to foster criticism!

The duvet of the September 2018 “#TheatreToo,” a particular concern on abuse and harassment within the theatre.

It’s a time of change and problem within the area, and in your time at American Theatre, you did assist push the journal towards airing extra of the robust conversations of us have been having about fairness and entry. I do know you’ll by no means publish criticism within the sense of opinions at Playbill, however what about content material that’s in a roundabout way crucial of the sphere?

I actually simply acquired right here, Rob! , it was a wrestle at AT and all the time a growing dialog; we needed to have a dialogue about how we selected to do it and it took time. With this job, I got here in Monday [Oct. 17] and straight away had to determine cowl the Sara Porkalob 1776 controversy, and have it’s greater than only a checklist of tweets, however to actually assume by way of: how will we do that pretty? How will we give credence to either side on this concern? The nice factor is, I don’t have to opine concerning the state of the trade; the artists are already doing that. I believe the job of Playbill is to provide them a platform.

You’ll recall that a technique AT has lined inequities within the area is to elevate up the parents which might be “doing it proper,” which implicitly acknowledges that there’s an issue that almost all corporations and leaders should not addressing. Is that a technique Playbill may method these points as nicely?

The baseline for Playbill is all the time to be a celebratory publication for theatre. I believe that’s what readers count on from us, and that we give them backstage entry to artists. In order that’s not going to vary. The change goes to be pushing the publication and the sphere at massive to go deeper on these points, to go deeper on, what does it imply to need a greater theatre trade? How will we get there collectively? What occurs after we don’t agree? And to not be afraid of the onerous questions.

Do you continue to consider your self as a theatre fan, regardless of all its issues?

I imply, I wouldn’t have taken this job if it wasn’t nonetheless driving me that approach, as a result of this job is tough. There’s quite a bit that can be requested of me, and I wouldn’t have taken this job if I didn’t really feel I had the capability to provide—not one hundred pc, as a result of everyone knows that’s not possible. As Sara Porkalob would say, you’ll in all probability get 75 % of me on any given day! And I’m high-functioning; my 75 % is top-tier work.

But it surely’s been sophisticated. We’ve been by way of a pandemic, and I used to be extremely burnt out after being on workers, after all of the vitality I needed to put into my profession at that time. Playbill supplied me this job in 2020—nicely, it was managing editor, as a result of it was a pandemic and so they had downsized, however the duties had been the identical. In 2020, I didn’t take it, as a result of I didn’t really feel like I had the capability to do it. I don’t wish to take a job for ego or for a title or to go to fancy events—I might somewhat keep residence, actually. I wish to take a job the place I can develop, that can problem me and push me additional, and in addition the place I could make an influence and assist others to develop. Two years in the past, I didn’t assume I may very well be an editor, be somebody’s boss and assist nurture another person’s writing. As a result of to me, once you turn out to be a supervisor, you’re changing into a mentor. You’re placing different individuals’s careers earlier than your individual, placing your individual ambitions apart so you possibly can construct the abilities of the individuals underneath you and assist them discover their very own voice. There’s a selflessness that comes with that. Two years in the past, I couldn’t put the oxygen masks on one other particular person first.

And also you’ve developed that energy since then?

Sure, and I’ve much less to show to myself and the trade. That’s the explanation I made a decision to go freelance for 2 years, as a result of I’d by no means achieved that earlier than. I needed to see if I might survive by myself, simply by the energy of my writing. And I did. I made nice cash. I wrote for all these locations I’ve all the time needed to jot down for, and wrote some huge, difficult tales. I acquired to develop my voice as a theatre critic, and I spotted that writing opinions kills me a bit bit. So when this job got here round once more, I believed, nicely, alternative isn’t a prolonged customer, and I felt like I used to be able to do it. Although it additionally terrifies me. So I’m scared—excited and scared.

That’s an inspirational story, I’ve to say. Perhaps you may give me some extra inspiration on our final topic: the state of theatre journalism and humanities media. I’ve to say, I’m all the time on the knife’s edge between despair over the lack of paying jobs for folk like us, and pleasure about new voices coming into the dialog, new media, new conversations. How are you feeling about our area, Diep?

After having survived as a full-time theatre journalist the previous two years, I’m fairly optimistic about it. After I was first employed at American Theatre 11 years in the past, you would depend on one hand the variety of theatre journalists of colour in NYC. That quantity has grown, now you can depend us on two palms! It’s not the place it ought to be, and nobody is getting paid what they’re value. However I can not afford to be cynical when there are younger people who find themselves hungry to turn out to be journalists. It’s my (unpaid) job to guide them down the trail. I do inform them that it’s a troublesome highway, however you probably have tales inside you you wish to inform, hold pitching, pitching, pitching, till somebody enables you to inform them.

On the artist aspect, I bear in mind once I was first employed at AT, I used to be instructed that we couldn’t critique individuals within the area, and slowly that modified. I bear in mind once I was writing about Miss Saigon and about cultural appropriation, I acquired a lot hate for that, like I used to be raining on everybody’s parade, on the magic of Broadway. However the conversations I used to be making an attempt to start out and was all for having, about not simply artwork but additionally influence—these at the moment are mainstream. It’s not taboo to say that theatre isn’t various sufficient. So I believe at AT we confirmed how, when you cowl one thing actually, when you ask the proper questions, you aren’t going to danger individuals not wanting to speak to you anymore. Most theatre shops are afraid of asking the robust questions. There’s a perceived danger, however the precise danger may be very small. Persons are studying you possibly can really say the quiet half out loud and there can be of us who assist that. And that will result in a higher dialog than has been had earlier than, and it’ll result in higher articles and higher writing and higher methods of pondering.

Higher theatre too.

Precisely. I believe we do theatre a disservice after we don’t speak about it actually.

Rob Weinert-Kendt (he/him) is the editor-in-chief of American Theatre. rwkendt@tcg.org

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