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Melding Spoken Phrase Poetry and Theatre in Malawi

Fumbani Innot Phiri Jr.: Welcome to Vital Phases in Malawian Modern Theatre podcast, produced for HowlRound Theatre Commons, a free and open platform for theatre makers worldwide. In partnership with Advanc[ing] Arts Ahead, a motion of superior fairness, inclusion, and justice by means of the humanities by making a liberated area that uplift, heal, and encourage us to vary the world. I’m your host, Fumbani Innot Phiri Jr., a producer, actor, director, playwright, and naturally, a contract journalist.

Vital Phases in Malawian Modern Theatre, I interview established theatre artist from all backgrounds to discover the precarious journey of theatre in trendy world, defines its issues, and discover higher options to maintain the performing arts in a technology of movement pages. On this podcast, I lead the discussions with established performers, administrators, writers who’re exploring methods to greet these challenges whereas their works impressed the neighborhood.

On immediately’s episode, I’m with Khumbolane Chavula, operating beneath the banner Millesimal Poetry. Millesimal Poetry is a Malawian-based poetry model pointed by and promoted by Khumbolane Chavula. Millesimal characterize the voice of millennium technology. You’ll be able to say a voice of performing arts in Malawi. Millesimal Poetry productions incorporate the totally different genres of performing arts, resembling spoken phrase poetry, music, and, in fact, theatre, that comes with drama and different dancers within the course of.

So Khumbolane Chavula run the banner of Millesimal Poetry. He’s a Malawian spoken phrase artist and entrepreneur, and inventive actor, and theatre motivation author, and a speaker. He holds a bachelor’s diploma in social science economics from the Catholic College of Malawi. He has labored with Solomonic Peacocks Theatre, a vibrant theatre in Malawi, primarily based and branded as an actor and as a neighborhood theatre facilitator for 5 years. At the moment he produces spoken phrase poetry beneath the model identify Millesimal Poetry.

So Millesimal Poetry characterize the voice of millennium technology, a voice of performing arts. Utilizing the Millesimal platform, Khumbolane Chavula has inserted poetry within the voice. Khumbolane Chavula intend to make use of the voice to create totally different strands of performing arts within the Malawian leisure trade by combining totally different genres in arts: spoken phrase poetry, music, rap, theatre, drama, and dance.

Alright. To start with, I wish to know extra about your creative background as Khumbolane Chavula. Who’s Khumbolane Chavula?

Khumbolane Chavula: All proper. Effectively, Khumbolane Chavula is a spoken phrase poet proper now. However I might say Khumbolane Chavula is a motivational speaker. Khumbolane Chavula is an actor. Khumbolane Chavula is an entrepreneur, and a spoken phrase poet, to be extra exact. Effectively, my journey comes from a background of ATEM Drama Festivals of… I’ve been within the trade for ten years now.

Fumbani: Oh, wow.

Khumbolane: As I used to be calculating, in reality, I used to be like, “How lengthy have I been right here?” Then I seen that I spent the 5 years of my life doing drama and theatre and spent the opposite 5 years of my life doing poetry, which now makes me a extra spoken phrase poet than I used to be earlier than.

Fumbani: Alright. Okay. In these ten years you spent doing drama and theatre, you spent doing poetry, mainly, we are able to say spoken phrase. And in these ten years inside that, what has been your journey and your educational goal?

Khumbolane: Effectively, I did my schooling at Chichiri Major Faculty, to begin with. I moved from Chichiri main college, obtained chosen to Chichiri Secondary Faculty.

Fumbani: Wow.

Khumbolane: I don’t know. I believe it’s God’s palms.

Fumbani: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Khumbolane: In any case, yeah, I accomplished my kind 4 Chicihiri Secondary Faculty in 2012. However then, fairly unlucky, I needed to repeat my kind 4 at Maranatha. I should have cherished drama greater than I did with my schooling.

So my dad and mom had been like, “We don’t just like the grades that you simply got here with. So I believe it is best to redo your kind 4.” However I might say, after the Maranatha journey, I went to Catholic College of Malawi, the place I obtained a bachelor’s diploma in economics, a contemporary graduate.

Fumbani: Yeah. You probably did economics?

Khumbolane: Sure, sure.

Fumbani: However your principal area is within the artwork trade, the artistic trade. Why economics?

Khumbolane: All proper. I might say economics ought to have been a calling as properly as a result of rising up I used to query a whole lot of issues. For instance, let’s say, why are we not creating motion pictures? Why are we not getting ourselves on the market? I’ve met lots of people within the trade that had been doing fairly properly at the moment, however then the publicity to the skin world wasn’t as a lot exact as it’s proper now.

So after I was making use of for economics, I had opted for regulation as a result of I believed I might make a greater lawyer than another area. I wished to specific myself. I wished to be a mannequin sometime as a result of I wished to talk out the humanities that’s in me. But it surely seems economics and regulation are fairly the identical career to talk of. I believe, after I went to economics, an important factor I needed to study was how do I mannequin myself as an economist similtaneously an artist?

As a result of I by no means actually knew I used to be getting good at what I used to be doing till folks began recognizing, to say, “I believe we love your poetry. You’re doing fairly properly with this poetry. Are you able to come carry out for us at this specific occasion?” Then I’ll positively do this. I bear in mind there was a onetime state of affairs the place I needed to journey to Chancellor Faculty for the Steve Chimombo memorial.

Fumbani: Memorial. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Khumbolane: And I used to be one of many performers on the Catholic College. It seems, these guys opted for me to go carry out and characterize the varsity. All proper? And that gave me the motivation to say, “What if I hold doing this? What if I strike a stability between my artistry and the economics that I used to be then studying?”

So, mainly, I obtained to the purpose the place I needed to fuse, and discover out that in between my poetry and the economics that I used to be studying, there’s a skinny line referred to as entrepreneurship the place I may apply the economics into my artistry. So I can say I’m now a full-time spoken phrase poet. On the similar time, practising the legal guidelines that I realized about economics, and attempt to deliver into the artistic trade a world the place folks ought to benefit from the leisure that’s being made by Malawians.

How else can we incorporate the theatre into trendy means, in order that this info that we now have ought to attain out to those folks?

Fumbani: All proper. So going again to your origin of being an artist: first, we all know Khumbolane Chavula as multi-award-winning acted throughout ATEM Drama Pageant. So how was it throughout these days in secondary faculties?

Khumbolane: Effectively, I might say, it was fairly overwhelming, to be trustworthy. I bear in mind how the journey all began. I used to be a stage setter sooner or later, however then the motivation behind the stage setting got here after I noticed my first play. I by no means actually knew folks would act and whatnot.

However after I obtained to the secondary college degree, and I noticed folks appearing within the corridor, I used to be like, “I believe I may do that.” Then I went and tried out my half, they usually gave me… They’re like, “Ah, it is best to maintain a tree on this play. You’re not certified. You don’t know something about artwork. It’s essential to study from the large guys first,” and whatnot. However I needed to humble myself as a result of then I solely cherished what I noticed. I solely cherished the hype that individuals needed to give the play, the time that we had been watching. After which I used to be like, “I believe I can do that. I believe I may very well be higher at this.”

So, seems, as time was passing by, as my years in class had been going, they began recognizing, to say, “I believe it is best to take up this function. I believe you might be the person appearing on this play.” And, to be fairly frank, I might go to the competitions and whatnot, not anticipating to say we’d win, or possibly I might be one of the best actor in that class anyway. However then for the fervour of it, for the truth that we’d be a group collectively, we’d wish to win the fervour that we needed to put into the rehearsals and the whole lot, I needed to be sure that the whole lot… Okay, I can’t say I used to be the highlight of the whole lot. There have been different folks as properly.

However I knew that to be an artist is to enrich one other individual’s artwork. It’s to be with a group of individuals, to create one thing magnificent, one thing that’s actually superb. And for this to occur, there needs to be any person to take up the larger function. And needed to occur that, in these days, I used to be additionally the president of the writers of the drama membership—

Fumbani: Wow.

Khumbolane: At Chichiri Secondary Faculty. So I might inspire my folks. I might inspire folks, go name them within the lessons, and convey all of them collectively and inform them, “You guys, let’s apply and whatnot.” On the similar time, I seen that I used to be pushing my arts extra. I used to be pushing to be one of the best at what I did. It was a craving that I needed to fulfill.

Fumbani: And it grew to become a mannequin.

Khumbolane: And it grew to become a mannequin. So I bear in mind, in 2012, after I obtained my first award, this man Albert Sharra from Nation’s Newspaper wrote an article about me. He’s like, “Khumbolane, the king of appearing.” And I used to be like, “How can somebody who simply didn’t know precisely what occurred behind the scenes, come to the occasion, sees me, and notices, ‘Oh, I believe this man is the appropriate man. I believe this man is the one who’s spicing up the play.’ “And I might say I actually cherished the whole lot.

Fumbani: And that’s the nice ability for being an actor, then they appreciated you. After all, you had been actually uncovered than the director.

Khumbolane: Precisely.

Fumbani: So your journey as an actor from secondary college, we noticed your face, your motion at Solomonic Peacock Theatre, an expert theatre.

Khumbolane: Proper. Very true.

Fumbani: What was this like to leap from secondary college to skilled theatre?

Khumbolane: At that time limit, I believe I by no means actually knew what was happening. I by no means actually had that anticipation to say, “That is going to be my journey. I wish to be an actor.” However then there was a voice inside me that stored chatting with me, that you could go additional. It’s essential to discover.

And I believe, at the moment, I used to be one of many first younger signings at Solomonic Peacocks Theatre. So, to me, it was fairly a journey, fairly an exploration for me, to know that I’m going into the most important league now. I’m going into the large names, the McArthur Matukuta’s, and all these massive names. And, at the moment, I used to be the middle of attraction. I bear in mind there was one other theatre membership that actually wished to select me to return to their aspect. However, ultimately, you needed to discover that the trade at the moment—

Fumbani: It was robust.

Khumbolane: Which was the higher place to go? Who’re going to form your profession in appearing, your profession in theatre and whatnot? So Solomonic, at the moment, it had the whole lot. It had the whole lot. It had all one of the best those who I knew, that these guys are one of the best within the trade and whatnot. So I obtained actually excited. It was fairly a journey at Solomonic.

Fumbani: Yeah. So once you had been part of Solomonic, you carried out fairly quite a few productions, business performances and neighborhood performances, like theatre for improvement.

Can you’re taking us by means of that journey? How important it was for, the way it was… One of the best ways easy methods to supply funds for the productions? The way to earn donor component? How the gate collections had been? Can you’re taking us by means of the journey?

Khumbolane: All proper. To be fairly frank, at the moment, I wasn’t paying actually a lot consideration to the funds, to what’s bringing the cash to us and whatnot. What I actually wished to do was to be in an atmosphere the place I’m in a position to categorical myself, the place I might be one of the best at what I’m doing, and I might enhance.

So I gained’t contact a lot in regards to the fundings and the whole lot, however I might say it was fairly an expertise. As a result of I bear in mind the primary time I needed to go to the sector. So it was a two weeks journey. Proper? We had been going for theatre for improvement. We had been going to sensitize folks on the decrease share of Malawi, the decrease aspect. So I packed my luggage, packed my expands, a really massive one. I’m like, “Since we’re appearing and we’re staying there for 2 weeks, I believe I ought to get all the garments that I can and whatnot.”

Fumbani: That pleasure?

Khumbolane: That pleasure, you’re like, “Ah, it’s going to be fairly a tremendous journey” and whatnot. So that you get there, and you discover out that the job is just not prefer it appears. You’re not presupposed to be altering your garments on daily basis. What it’s important to change is you into the costume, of no matter play that you’re having at that second. After which you’re going immediately into the villages to marketing campaign, to sensitize these folks.

I believe an important a part of this course of was to lend the lifestyle that persons are experiencing outdoors of Malawi, outdoors the world that I belonged to. As a result of, to be fairly frank, to be born in an city space in Malawi, you’re fairly privileged, not like different folks. So that you’d get to know that the poverty ranges in our nation are fairly excessive. You’d get to locations the place autos don’t must go. The one technique of transport that you’ve got is a motorcycle, or possibly it’s important to stroll by foot, however it’s a journey, two hours journey or whatnot.

So it was fairly a life altering expertise for me. I needed to modify to sure ranges of life, to say, “If I’m an artist and I wished to present out this info to those folks, I’ve to deliver myself to their degree.” As a result of that’s an important factor for them to know, to say, “We’re in the identical footwear. We’re not totally different. As a lot as we’re bringing the knowledge to you, however you’re the principal info that we now have to get out of right here.”

Fumbani: So by yourself context, folks regard neighborhood theatre as simply in up to date component of presentation than business theatre. In your context, are you able to attempt to give us an elaboration about neighborhood theatre? How finest it’s? How good it’s?

Khumbolane: All proper. I might say there’s so many technique of disseminating info. Proper? However I might say, you get to a spot, after which no one is aware of you at that place. You might be simply you guys along with your play. Proper? You simply stroll as much as your market and also you begin appearing. All people’s stunned “What’s happening?” and whatnot. After which folks begin gathering round, to attempt to see what’s actually occurring there. They usually discover out that it’s a play.

You might be turning the mindset of individuals, to indicate them that theatre itself is considered one of—I might say it’s one of the best ways—to disseminate info. It’s probably the most artistic approach you may give out a artistic message to any person to study. And I might assume what we actually have to do in the intervening time is to assume outdoors the field of that theatre. How else can we incorporate the theatre into trendy means, in order that this info that we now have ought to attain out to those folks? Proper? Yeah.

Artwork is meant to trickle down generations. It’s presupposed to transcend the artist himself. It’s presupposed to go right down to the final individual that will dwell on earth, to see all this artistry there.

Fumbani: All proper. So they’re the 5 years. Now we now have the Millesimal Poetry.

Khumbolane: All proper. I might say, earlier than Millesimal Poetry happened, I used to be nonetheless Khumbolane Chavula. Individuals would nonetheless acknowledge me as Khumbolane Chavula earlier than all this. I might say Millesimal poet is my subsequent journey. It’s the journey that I’m taking now.

I’ve been requested this query so many instances. What do you imply “Millesimal?” Inform us, what’s Millesimal Poetry? Why are you calling your self this? We all know you as Khumbo. Why the sudden drastic change? Khumbolane: Millesimal is a synonym to millennium.

Fumbani: All proper.

Khumbolane: I’m solely twenty-three years outdated, however I’ve managed to complete my diploma right now.

Fumbani: Wow.

Khumbolane: Have a look at the place Malawi is coming from, and saying a twenty-three-year-old has a level now, it’s extra like one thing that’s new to the world. Proper? Most individuals haven’t but tailored to this truth. So I’m fairly younger. On the similar time, I’ve accomplished the very best degree of qualification.

However, regardless of all this, I needed to outline myself. So, in defining myself, I needed to know the place do I belong? Proper? We’re calling this the millennial period. How can I discover one of the best ways to ship message to my technology? How can I encourage the subsequent technology after my technology?

As a result of artwork is meant to trickle down generations. It’s presupposed to transcend the artist himself. It’s presupposed to go right down to the final individual that will dwell on earth, to see all this artistry there. So Millesimal poet is a generational poet. He’s sending the message to the subsequent technology, sending a message to my technology, that artwork is…

Fumbani: Yeah. Okay. The Millesimal Poetry, proper now, due to these technology, as you mentioned, most poetry artists, they’re diverting their motion of poetry into spoken phrase. Each poetry artist I’m seeing proper now could be saying, “I’m a spoken phrase artist. I’m a spoken phrase artist.” How distinctive is your work?

Khumbolane: All proper. I’ll deliver you again a little bit bit. I mentioned I’m Millesimal Poet, however I’m only a poet, proper? I’m simply Millesimal. I’m simply within the Millesimal period. However Millesimal Poetry is now the definition of the artwork that I’m making.

As a result of the distinction between me and each different spoken phrase poet is the incorporation of theatre into my poetry. Like I’ve mentioned, the primary a part of my life, the primary 5 years of my artistry journey is drama and theatre. It has a background in drama and theatre. And this subsequent 5 years was about poetry, poetry, and poetry. However now I’m how finest can I fuse my poetry and the background the place I’m coming from. How finest can we discover the place it hyperlinks? That’s why it comes Millesimal Poetry.

As a result of once you take a look at Millesimal Poetry, I’m not Millesimal Poetry. I’m only a poet. I simply write my supplies and recite. However the music, the background, the theatre, the dance, the component of shock in a poem is what I need folks to see. After they take a look at my poetry, they need to really feel a nostalgic feeling that that they had each time they needed to see ATEM stage performs, each time they needed to see theatre, or Kwathu Drama Group, that sort of factor. I wished to deliver that component again, each visually and dwell on stage.

Fumbani: So I can little really feel the component that you’re taking this poetry component on the subsequent degree. So, wow. What are the challenges as you’re creating these? And what are the challenges to your viewers, to the society, mainly, for performing arts?

I need folks to know the poet on the similar time perceive the poem.

Khumbolane: All proper. The main problem that we face in arts in the intervening time is that appreciation. Individuals haven’t realized that artwork is worth. Artwork is like value. It’s such as you’re giving folks an leisure, they usually must pay you for that leisure. They’ve to present you one thing in return to what you’re giving them. Proper?

So, it’s actually been exhausting for folks to adapt to those new concepts, for folks to adapt that, “Okay, I’ve recorded a bit. I’m releasing it. Are you going to purchase my piece?” Proper? Individuals must get to that time, to say that this artist took his time to arrange one of these leisure, in order that we’re entertained. Let’s pay him again this worth. Proper?

So, the most important problem is that one, that individuals haven’t but appreciated the worth that we’re creating, particularly, let’s say, spoken phrase poetry. As a result of spoken phrase poetry, such as you say, is only a newly found enterprise. Most individuals are simply poetry as, “Ah, I’m a poet as a result of I write, and I recite, and other people come they usually recognize what I’m doing as a result of it’s artwork.”

However then spoken phrase poetry is past poetry. Spoken phrase poetry is theatre. Spoken phrase poetry is dance. Spoken phrase poetry is storytelling. It’s about folks attending to know the poet, folks attending to know the poem. However the poet is as essential because the poem. And so are the actors within the poem, as essential because the poem itself.

So to deliver all these folks collectively, let’s say, let’s create a video, proper? And I deliver actors, I deliver choreographers, I deliver administrators and whatnot all collectively, is a fund that I alone can not handle to present it out. So that you strive to usher in different components, to say, “Let me promote my poetry.” However folks haven’t but appreciated to say, “I wish to purchase your poetry.” As a result of folks assume creating artwork is as low cost because it sounds. They assume you may simply get up immediately, and I’ve recorded a bit. However they don’t know that there’s studio charge there. They don’t know that so that you can deliver out the transport charges for folks to return to you, that can assist you out along with your poetry, what it took.

So, other than that problem, the opposite problem is mainly private. Some folks really want to assist you, however then they really feel like, “No, he’s nonetheless an underground individual. He’s not presupposed to get this far.” Yeah, that sort of factor. However the main drawback that we now have, each theatre-wise and poetry-wise, is that individuals haven’t but appreciated that individuals can create. For instance, I might say, in the event you take a look at proper now, the situation that we live now, you’d see that COVID has are available in to vary the best way companies had been working.

Fumbani: I used to be about to return to that.

Khumbolane: All proper. So I’ll simply—

Fumbani: So you may—

Khumbolane: All proper. Oh, okay. As a result of COVID is right here, it has pressured us to begin considering in a different way from how we had been considering again then. As a result of then I might positively create a present the place I might get some funds, get collections and whatnot, after which fund some initiatives that I’ve. However the issue now could be that you simply can not invite greater than 100 folks. You’ll be able to’t invite greater than fifty folks.

As a result of now we’re in a state of nationwide catastrophe, proper? We’ve been hit so exhausting with the illness, and it’s getting worrisome. So I might say, as we try to determine these new methods, why don’t we provide you with a contemporary approach the place theatre may be watched on tv? Why will we provide you with trendy methods, the place the theatre strikes from the stage, and it turns into one thing that you simply see on the web, proper?

Fumbani: Like visually?

Khumbolane: Yeah, visually. You see one thing and also you’re like, “Oh.” You are feeling invited to the present. You are feeling a part of what’s occurring. Proper? And to search out these trendy methods, it means we now have to search out sources of funds—

Fumbani: Discover. Yeah.

Khumbolane: … the place we’re in a position to pay videographer, in a position to pay choreographers, to return collectively and say, “Let’s create one thing that individuals could be entertained at residence.”

Fumbani: And I believe, as you’ve got said, that we are able to go visually. We’re going to make use of tv to show our expertise. Not simply uncovered, however we have to get one thing from it. And this is without doubt one of the challenges a lot of the artists in Malawi are going through, however particularly theatre artists and poets. And what thought do you assume may be one of the best ways of getting one thing out of your efficiency?

Khumbolane: All proper. Effectively, I’ll converse on behalf of Millesimal Poetry. I might say I’ve gone visually now. I’ve weighed my choices. I don’t assume my poems ought to be performed on radios anymore. I believe my poems should be seen visually. I need folks to know the poet on the similar time perceive the poem. I need folks to know the story behind the poem and perceive, to say, “That is the message that this man was making an attempt to promote.” Proper?

And, folks, we gather recollections. For instance, we now have recollections of our stage days again then, how ATEM used to really feel and whatnot. It’s that pleasure in artwork, that pleasure that reminds you that this was these specific occasion that you simply went to, and also you noticed one thing that you simply weren’t anticipating. Why don’t we deliver that into movies?

So proper now I’m engaged on a mission to say, “Let me launch movies the place folks get to know the poet.” And possibly in future, launch the audios the place folks should buy it, due to the reminiscence that they’ve on the movies that I created. And, in reality, since you’re making a video, it means folks would return to that video, and watch it and rewatch it, if the video is basically that entertaining.

Fumbani: All proper. Now, you’ve got defined about this journey of the Millesimal Poetry, the journey of you into theatre. So the genesis of theatre has been a component so that you can be the best way you’re as an artist, a spoken artist as Millesimal Poet. I can say, how are you going to include theatre into your work?

Khumbolane: All proper. All proper. I don’t assume that’s a troublesome one. However then I’m like, “Let me catch my breath.” Proper. Principally, after I take a look at theatre, I begin to perceive every character on their very own. Proper? I perceive that we are able to provide you with a play proper now, involving two guys—you and me—a play, proper?

However every considered one of us can be a poet. Every considered one of us goes to recite a sure chunk of traces, and we’re going… Collectively, once we are coordinated, it’s going to make the piece seem like a play. Proper? So after I take a look at my theatrical journey, I needed to pattern myself out of the play, proper? Put myself away from the stage, away from the highlight, and attempt to create my very own highlight on the market. So to say, how are you going to deliver theatre into your poetry? You’ve heard of miming theatre, proper?

Fumbani: Yeah.

Khumbolane: You don’t have to talk. You simply have to indicate your actions. And folks actually perceive the idea behind it. We noticed Charlie Chaplin, that he did that. You’d giggle at issues that… He doesn’t must say phrases. Mr. Bean wouldn’t say something. However then they might create a reminiscence in our minds, to say, “Oh, that was actually superb.”

So I wish to check out that component. I wish to check out the component of object theatre, the component of miming theatre. I wish to check out herald actors into my poem, which can be going to inform the story itself, even when they needed to take me out as a poet. However the story has to make sense.

Fumbani: Wow. Wow. That is very nice, and it was an awesome chat. You see, Millesimal Poetry has a component, whereby a lot of the youth outdoors can be in a mirrored image of turning into spoken phrase artists, to see a proper channel to undergo. So, Khumbolane Chavula, it was good having you.

Khumbolane: It was superb that you simply needed to host me. If you happen to haven’t—

Fumbani: You’re welcome. You’re welcome.

Fumbani: Millesimal Poetry has lately launched a t-shirt branding. We will create a voice. For extra info, comply with Millesimal Poetry on Fb, and subscribe to the YouTube web page, Millesimal Poetry. And you may also e mail Khumbolane Chavula on Additionally, by way of social media pages, Khumbolane on Twitter at KhumbolaneC; or LinkedIn at Khumbolane Chavula; Instagram, Khumbolane Chavula. And you may also e mail direct Khumbolane Chavula at

Fumbani: Thanks a lot for having a present with us. This has been one other episode of Vital Phases in Malawian Modern Theatre. I used to be your host Fumbani Innot Phiri Jr. If you happen to’re wanting ahead to attach with me, you may e mail me at

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