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DAVID BIANCULLI, HOST:

That is FRESH AIR. I am David Bianculli, sitting in for Terry Gross.

(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, “GREAT BALLS OF FIRE”)

JERRY LEE LEWIS: (Singing) You shake my nerves, and also you rattle my mind. An excessive amount of love drives a person insane. You broke my will however what a thrill. Goodness, gracious, nice balls of fireplace. I laughed at love ‘trigger I believed it was humorous. You got here alongside and also you moved me, honey. I’ve modified my thoughts. This love is okay. Goodness, gracious, nice balls of fireplace. Kiss me, child. Mmm, it feels good. Maintain me, child. Properly, I am off to like you want a lover ought to. Oh, you are tremendous, so variety. Obtained to inform this world that you simply’re mine, mine, mine, mine. I chew my nails after which I twiddle my thumbs. I am actual nervous, nevertheless it certain is enjoyable. Come on, child. You drive me loopy. Goodness, gracious, nice balls of fireplace.

BIANCULLI: We’re remembering rock ‘n’ roll pioneer Jerry Lee Lewis, who died October 28 at age 87 with excerpts from two interviews from our archives. Within the second half of the present, we’ll hear again to Terry’s interview with Myra Lewis Williams, who was married to Jerry Lee when she was 13. They have been cousins. The scandal which adopted their marriage ended Jerry Lee’s profession as a rock ‘n’ roll celebrity, however he later discovered redemption in performing nation music.

We’ll kick issues off with an interview Terry did with Jerry Lee’s youthful sister, pianist and singer Linda Gail Lewis. Earlier than Jerry Lee Lewis turned a star, their household lived in a shack in Ferriday, La. Linda realized to play piano from watching her brother. They began performing collectively when she was 14, within the early Sixties. They recorded collectively, and he or she toured with him for a few years within the ’60s and ’70s earlier than going off on her personal. Linda Gail Lewis was on FRESH AIR in 2018, together with singer-songwriter and guitarist Robbie Fulks. They’d simply put out a report collectively known as “Wild! Wild! Wild!” Here is the opening observe, that includes Linda Gail Lewis on piano and vocals.

(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, “ROUND TOO LONG”)

LINDA GAIL LEWIS: (Singing) I am the sister of a hell raiser, the daughter of an previous tomcat. I used to be playin’ the piano in a honky-tonk earlier than you bragged about that. If it is a tune about exhausting, exhausting livin’ (ph), it is a tune I am livin’ in. If a tough street goes there, you may wager I have been. When the women have been playin’ at bounce rope, I used to be playin’ (ph) the lads for fools. I used to be drownin’ in a sea of whiskey after they have been dreamin’ about Liverpool. Ever since I used to be a baby, I used to be quick and wild. I suppose I am a wild one nonetheless. ‘Trigger after they say you may’t, you realize I’ll. I am like a report that will not put on out. I am like a wheel that spins on. You possibly can’t hardly cease rollin’ after I’ve been ‘spherical too lengthy.

(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED NPR BROADCAST)

TERRY GROSS: Linda Gail Lewis, welcome to FRESH AIR. Robbie Fulks, welcome again to FRESH AIR, and congratulations in your album, “Wild! Wild! Wild!” So, Linda, we simply heard a pattern of your piano type, which is similar to your brother Jerry Lee Lewis’ piano type. However you did not begin taking part in till you have been 30 or 40 or one thing.

L LEWIS: I used to be really 40. You realize, I knew the essential chords on the piano, you realize, like, for simply accompanying myself if I used to be writing a tune or simply singing a gospel tune or a rustic tune or one thing. However I did not know tips on how to play rock ‘n’ roll or boogie-woogie as a result of I might been on the street with my brother. In order that wasn’t wanted in our act. Once I left his band, it was mandatory for me to determine it out. And thank goodness he had proven me numerous issues that I happily might bear in mind.

GROSS: What did he present you?

L LEWIS: He confirmed me mainly this – I name it the Jerry Lee Lewis invention as a result of it is type of like a Bach invention, solely it is for boogie-woogie and rock ‘n’ roll. He got here up with this factor for me to play, and he stated, should you play this and also you begin out actually sluggish after which work on top of things, then it’ll open up every little thing for you, and you’ll play rock ‘n’ roll and boogie-woogie piano.

GROSS: What in regards to the glissandos the place you slide down the notes of the piano?

L LEWIS: That simply comes naturally to me.

GROSS: I all the time suppose it should tear up your arms.

L LEWIS: It does.

GROSS: Does it?

(LAUGHTER)

GROSS: OK. You are each from very completely different backgrounds. So, Linda, let me ask you. You grew up in a shack in Louisiana. Would you describe the shack for us?

L LEWIS: Properly, it was this grey constructing. There was type of, like, holes in it in locations. And we did not have a toilet on the within. We needed to bathe in a tin tub out on the porch in the summertime or within the kitchen the place there’s warmth within the winter. It was powerful. It was exhausting dwelling there. And it was embarrassing for me after I’d get off the college bus as a result of…

GROSS: A lot of the different youngsters weren’t as poor.

L LEWIS: I did not see every other shacks precisely like that one, perhaps one or two. However nonetheless, when it is you getting off the bus and it is your shack, it is embarrassing. So it was exhausting for me. However, you realize, I used to be in a position to go away there fairly early as a result of, you realize, my brother obtained us out of there after I was 10 years previous.

GROSS: Properly, yeah, as a result of, you realize, he turned well-known as Jerry Lee Lewis. He signed with Solar Information, and other people know the way that story went. So it should have actually profoundly affected your loved ones life when there was cash coming in and he turned well-known.

L LEWIS: Oh, it was great. We went to Memphis. I bear in mind our first journey to Memphis. It was so nice. However, in fact, the principle factor that I bear in mind is that Jerry purchased us a brand new home on the town, a pleasant brick residence with every little thing, rest room on the within. It was beautiful. And he gave us $1,000 to buy groceries. My mama had two attire, one to put on to church and one to put on at residence. That is all she had. And we took $1,000 to Doris’ Gown Store (ph) in Ferriday, La., and acquired every little thing they’d in our sizes.

GROSS: Everybody in your loved ones made music, proper?

L LEWIS: Properly, sure. My mama was an excellent singer. She was the tune chief in our church. And Daddy performed guitar, and he performed just a little little bit of piano.

GROSS: So one factor you’ve in frequent by way of your background is I believe, you realize, you each grew up in musical households, though, Linda, there was a well-known individual in your loved ones. Properly, not simply Jerry Lee Lewis. Jimmy Swaggart is your cousin, and he is, like, the well-known televangelist – a well-known televangelist preacher. However he carried out in these exhibits, too – did not he? – like, sing and play.

L LEWIS: Sure, he did. And he is an exquisite piano participant, and he is a superb singer. And he is an excellent…

ROBBIE FULKS: Nice singer.

L LEWIS: Yeah, he is an excellent singer, and he is an excellent preacher. And he was off of TV for some time due to the scandal. However he is again on now.

GROSS: Proper. And the scandal concerned a prostitute and pornography.

L LEWIS: I believe so.

(LAUGHTER)

FULKS: Hi there.

L LEWIS: Though there are some little previous women that suppose that he was framed (laughter).

GROSS: Is that true?

L LEWIS: I did have a few folks inform me that. Sure.

GROSS: However you do not suppose he was framed.

L LEWIS: Properly, I believe that is far-fetched.

GROSS: OK.

L LEWIS: I really like Jimmy, and I would not say something dangerous about him, however that’d be a bit far-fetched.

(LAUGHTER)

GROSS: OK. So – and did you each develop up singing in church loads, too?

FULKS: I did just a little bit, yeah.

L LEWIS: And I did loads.

FULKS: Yeah.

GROSS: Did you sing numerous church songs at residence despite the fact that you simply did just a little singing in church, Robbie?

FULKS: You realize, I am attempting to recollect. I did numerous singing with my household, and I went to – I finished going to church, partly as a result of we have been dwelling so removed from something and I did not have transportation. My mother and father have been churchgoers, however I believe I finished going to church round age 13, they usually have been largely, like, Methodist church buildings with uninteresting hymnal singing. They weren’t, like, the actual cool music that Linda was most likely doing.

GROSS: So, Linda, I believe your loved ones helped construct the church that your loved ones belonged to.

L LEWIS: Properly, they did. You realize, it was a Holy Curler church, so it wasn’t so widespread. In our little city of Ferriday, you’d have, like, a thousand folks attending the Baptist church and perhaps 500 the Methodist and 200 Catholics and about 50 Pentecostals.

(LAUGHTER)

GROSS: And that was your church.

L LEWIS: And that was our church.

GROSS: So what sort of music was within the church?

L LEWIS: Oh, it was nice music. And Robbie would have beloved it, you realize?

GROSS: (Laughter).

L LEWIS: He’d most likely have been discovering a method to get to church if he was going to that one. It was simply – you realize, it was great music, upbeat more often than not – not on a regular basis. But it surely was very emotional, although. I imply, generally, it was scary and unhappy. However after they did these songs like “I will Fly Away” and stuff like that, it was completely great.

GROSS: I am questioning in case your brother and also you first obtained your arms on a piano in church ‘trigger should you have been dwelling in a shack, I doubt there was a piano within the shack.

L LEWIS: Properly, my mama and daddy discovered a method to get my brother a piano when he was 8 years previous.

GROSS: Within the shack?

L LEWIS: Yeah, in – I suppose, yeah. We have been nonetheless…

GROSS: Within the shack with the holes in it?

L LEWIS: Oh, we have been undoubtedly within the shack with the holes in it.

FULKS: It was at your aunt’s home, yeah?

L LEWIS: Properly, he – they purchased it from my aunt. My Aunt Eva had a piano she had purchased for her daughter Norma Jean (ph). And Norma Jean simply would not take the teachings and play the piano. So she stated she simply wished to promote it. So she offered it to my mama and daddy. And Daddy moved that piano downstairs by himself…

GROSS: No.

L LEWIS: …As a result of they lived up over their cafe that they’d. They’d a restaurant. They usually lived up over it, so it was upstairs. And Jerry advised me, he stated, I am unable to consider how Daddy might transfer that piano down these stairs by himself. It was an upright piano. My brother nonetheless has it.

GROSS: Wow.

BIANCULLI: Linda Gail Lewis, the youthful sister of Jerry Lee Lewis. She spoke with Terry Gross in 2018 together with songwriter-singer and guitarist Robbie Fulks. We’ll hear extra after a break. That is FRESH AIR.

(SOUNDBITE OF HOWARD FISHMAN SONG, “DIRTY”)

BIANCULLI: That is FRESH AIR. Let’s return to the interview and efficiency from our archives with pianist and singer Linda Gail Lewis, the youthful sister of Jerry Lee Lewis, and singer-songwriter Robbie Fulks. They have been on FRESH AIR in 2018 after placing out their report, “Wild! Wild! Wild!”

GROSS: So that you sing nice harmonies collectively. Did that come naturally? I imply, Linda, you definitely sang numerous harmonies together with your brother up to now.

L LEWIS: Properly, I’ve. You realize, my brother’s an excellent singer, and so is Robbie. So it jogs my memory of doing duets with my brother. And it wasn’t exhausting for me to sing with Robbie. I really like singing with him.

GROSS: Can I ask you to do a tune that you simply additionally do on the brand new album, “Wild! Wild! Wild!”? I will ask you to sing your duet of “On The Jericho Street.” And did you each know this tune earlier than you determined to do it collectively?

L LEWIS: Properly, I used to be sitting at a Burger King in Tromso, Norway. I obtained an e mail from Robbie saying, properly, we have to do some gospel. And I recommended “Jericho Street.” Did not I, Robbie?

FULKS: You probably did. Yeah. And also you directed me to Jerry’s insane efficiency of it…

(LAUGHTER)

FULKS: …With – yeah, unbelievable piano solo.

L LEWIS: Yeah. After which, I instantly advised you, I am not taking part in that piano solo. Then, I made you play the guitar solo.

FULKS: You made me play the guitar.

L LEWIS: (Laughter).

FULKS: And for higher or worse…

L LEWIS: Not likely, however I requested you to.

FULKS: …That is what we got here up with.

(Vocalizing, taking part in guitar).

ROBBIE FULKS AND LINDA GAIL LEWIS: (Singing) As you journey alongside on the Jericho Street, there’s room for simply two. Brother, do not carry a load. Simply deliver it to Christ. Your sins all confess. On the Jericho Street, your coronary heart he’ll bless.

FULKS: (Singing) On the Jericho Street…

L LEWIS: (Singing) On the Jericho Street…

FULKS: (Singing) There’s room for simply two.

L LEWIS: (Singing) There’s room for simply two.

FULKS: (Singing) No extra and no much less.

L LEWIS: (Singing) No extra or no much less.

FULKS: (Singing) Solely Jesus and also you.

L LEWIS: (Singing) Simply Jesus and also you.

FULKS AND LEWIS: (Singing) Every burden he’ll bear. Every sorrow he’ll share. There’s by no means a care. Valuable Jesus is there. There’s by no means a care. Valuable Jesus is there.

GROSS: Oh, thanks for that. I beloved it.

FULKS: Warts and all.

(LAUGHTER)

GROSS: Oh, it was great. And let me reintroduce you. My visitors are Robbie Fulks, songwriter-singer, guitarist, and Linda Gail Lewis, who’s a pianist and singer and generally songwriter as properly and in addition the sister of Jerry Lee Lewis. So we simply heard you sing “On The Jericho Street,” which is a really Christian tune. And Linda, I believe you are still within the church.

L LEWIS: Properly, I am not precisely in a church. They will not have me.

GROSS: (Laughter).

L LEWIS: However I’m a Christian.

(LAUGHTER)

GROSS: However you are still deeply a Christian.

L LEWIS: Yeah. I have never discovered one that may agree with every little thing I do, however (laughter). However, sure, I do go to church sometimes. However I do not, like, belong to a church. However I am very non secular, and I really like the Lord.

GROSS: And, Robbie, as I bear in mind from our final interview, you fully moved away from the church.

FULKS: Yeah. I am an atheist, which I have never actually mentioned with Linda till this second. However there it’s.

GROSS: Are you OK with that, Linda?

L LEWIS: I already knew that he was an atheist. I learn it on a kind of social media issues.

(LAUGHTER)

GROSS: Your secret is lengthy out.

FULKS: Yeah. Cat’s out of the bag.

GROSS: However you continue to love singing these songs.

FULKS: I actually do. I imply, they’re nice songs. I imply, songs about perception, you realize, that is what makes a love tune nice ‘trigger you consider it while you sing it. And songs about transcendental perception, to me, are all of the extra highly effective.

GROSS: Linda, what did your mother and father suppose, being such church folks, when Jerry Lee Lewis, together with you, his youthful sister, began performing these, like, wild songs, completely secular, type of blasphemous most likely inside your church? So how did that go over within the household? Now, granted, he was bringing in some huge cash and obtained the household out of poverty, so I am certain they appreciated that. However there was loads that went together with that.

L LEWIS: Properly, you realize, my mother and father defended my brother all the time. They usually did not essentially agree along with his principle, which is that he was doing the satan’s music. They did not actually really feel that like he did. And – however the folks within the church weren’t pleased with us. I imply, Mama would nonetheless go. And she or he’d take me together with her numerous occasions. And other people weren’t all that good to us within the church anymore. However Jerry looks like – you realize, he used to really feel like that was the satan’s music. I do not know if he feels that method a lot now. I believe he is mellowed on that.

GROSS: Did you ever really feel such as you have been going to go to hell due to the music you have been taking part in or the life you have been dwelling?

L LEWIS: I by no means felt that method.

GROSS: Even while you have been younger and…

L LEWIS: Properly, after I was younger, I used to be scared to dying. I imply…

GROSS: Of hell?

L LEWIS: Of – yeah, of hell. I imply, these preachers would preach these sermons and would scare you to dying.

GROSS: Positive. However then you definately’re going from that to – I imply, you have been married on the age of 14. You – I imply, you have been consuming. You have been on the street together with your brother. I imply, that isn’t, like, what can be outlined because the righteous life, if you need – are you aware what I am saying?

L LEWIS: I used to be fairly loopy as a child.

GROSS: Yeah, that is what I am saying.

L LEWIS: I admit that.

(LAUGHTER)

L LEWIS: Sure, I used to be.

GROSS: So in these early days of being wild, as in “Wild! Wild! Wild!,” the album title…

L LEWIS: (Laughter) Again within the day.

GROSS: …Did you are concerned about hell? Did you are concerned about, you realize, not being redeemed?

L LEWIS: Perhaps just a little bit after I wasn’t consuming Wild Turkey and 7UP…

(LAUGHTER)

L LEWIS: …And had an opportunity to consider it. However sure, I most likely did fear about it. However I’ve simply all the time felt like that Jesus forgives us of our sins as a result of that is what the Bible says. And lots of people miss that. They usually have all these concepts about what you are able to do and you’ll’t do.

GROSS: Inform us just a little bit about what it was wish to be performing together with your brother while you have been in your early teenagers.

L LEWIS: It was great. It was completely nice. I wished a lot to go on the street with him. And naturally, I used to be in class. However then I met this man and fell in love with him. And we obtained married. But it surely solely lasted for, I believe, a couple of months. It wasn’t lengthy in any respect. And I ended up with a divorce. After which I stated, properly, I am unable to actually return to highschool as a result of I’ve simply gone by means of this divorce. So how about me occurring the street with you, Jerry?

(LAUGHTER)

L LEWIS: And he took me on the street.

FULKS: (Laughter).

GROSS: So that you have been – you met Elvis Presley. You most likely met all of the rockabilly performers and numerous different now-famous performers, too.

L LEWIS: It has been completely great. I imply, Chuck Berry and Little Richard – and Fat Domino was a beautiful man. It was so nice being round all these guys.

GROSS: So we have heard you do duets collectively. And you have additionally each recorded loads solo. What are a few of the pleasures of singing concord?

FULKS: I really feel it is type of exhausting to explain. It is just like the pleasure, as I used to be saying earlier, of dancing with a wonderful associate. And it is just like the pleasure of falling down on a pleasant, mushy mattress, you realize? And while you sing with an excellent associate, like I get to do with Linda, it actually is sort of like falling right into a mattress in its thoughtlessness and luxury and the nice feeling. And I want I may very well be extra scientific about it. It is a good feeling.

L LEWIS: I actually – I get pleasure from harmonizing. In fact, I did with my brother and with my sister, Frankie Jean. After which now my son and my daughter sing with me. And that is numerous enjoyable once we do this.

GROSS: Oh, that is nice.

FULKS: Girl plus man is an particularly potent factor, although, no less than in nation music. Do not you suppose?

L LEWIS: Oh, sure, in fact. And the factor that principally that I’d do with my youngsters can be like gospel or people music or one thing. However, yeah, the nation songs with a person and a lady singing a duet, I believe it is actually nice.

GROSS: It has been so nice to have you ever each right here. Thanks for being so beneficiant, taking part in your music for us. I actually beloved listening to it. Thanks a lot.

L LEWIS: Oh, thanks. Thanks a lot.

FULKS: Thanks, Terry. It was an excellent pleasure.

BIANCULLI: Pianist and singer Linda Gail Lewis, the youthful sister of Jerry Lee Lewis. She spoke with Terry Gross in 2018, together with songwriter, singer and guitarist Robbie Fulks. The report they put out collectively is named “Wild! Wild! Wild!” Linda Gail Lewis toured together with her brother, Jerry Lee, within the ’60s and ’70s. Here is a duet from a report they put out in 1969. The identify of the album is “Collectively.” The tune is named “Secret Locations.”

(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, “SECRET PLACES”)

L LEWIS: (Singing) Each time you maintain me shut, we meet in secret locations. We will not exit in town trigger folks know our faces.

J LEWIS: (Singing) We have beloved one another all these years. We have lived with fixed disgrace and concern.

JERRY LEE LEWIS AND LINDA GAIL LEWIS: (Singing) However we’ll go on and reside our love tonight in secret locations. Secret locations, hidden faces, that is all we have ever identified. Stolen moments, heat embraces – we all know we simply cannot be incorrect.

L LEWIS: (Singing) Why do we have now to cover our love once we belong collectively? Our love is sort of a ship at sea that is tossed by stormy climate.

BIANCULLI: Developing within the second half of our present, an interview with Myra Lewis Williams, who married Jerry Lee Lewis when she was simply 13. The scandal which adopted ended his profession as a rock ‘n’ roll celebrity. Myra’s memoir, titled “Nice Balls Of Fireplace,” turned the idea of the film of the identical identify. She did not suppose a lot of the film. And music critic Ken Tucker has an appreciation of Jerry Lee’s flip to nation music. That is arising after a break. I am David Bianculli, and that is FRESH AIR.

(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, “SECRET PLACES”)

JERRY LEE LEWIS AND LINDA GAIL LEWIS: (Singing) Secret locations, hidden faces – that is all we have ever identified. Stolen moments, heat embraces – we all know we simply cannot be incorrect.

BIANCULLI: That is FRESH AIR. I am David Bianculli, professor of tv research at Rowan College, sitting in for Terry Gross. We’re remembering rock ‘n’ roll pioneer Jerry Lee Lewis at the moment with interviews from our archive. Lewis was 87 when he died on October 28. Together with his enormous hits “Entire Lot Of Shakin’ Going On” and “Nice Balls Of Fireplace,” he was the key radio rival to Elvis Presley. However in 1958 when Jerry Lee married his second cousin, 13-year-old Myra Brown, his profession was destroyed by the ensuing scandal. Myra divorced Jerry Lee in 1971 and went on to a profession in actual property in Atlanta, Ga. In 1989, Terry interviewed Myra Brown Lewis, who’s now often known as Myra Lewis Williams. The movie “Nice Balls Of “Fireplace!,” starring Dennis Quaid as Jerry Lee, had simply come out. It was based mostly on Myra’s memoir of the identical identify. In 2016, Myra revealed a second memoir titled “The Spark That Survived.” She advised Terry that she did not suppose a lot of the film.

(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED NPR BROADCAST)

MYRA LEWIS WILLIAMS: Once I walked in and I began watching this film, which I delay about so long as I might – and my household drug me there. They stated, you have to go together with us and see this. What I sat down and noticed was a light-weight musical comedy. It was very entertaining, and it was very cute. And it does attempt to inform you numerous data. However it’s a yr and a half in our life, and my guide coated 30 years. And there are numerous issues which might be factual in as a lot so far as they go. But it surely’s virtually like you need to know what occurred earlier than and after to grasp the reasoning behind what the individual did.

GROSS: Properly, let’s discuss your story as you really lived it. How did you first meet Jerry Lee Lewis?

WILLIAMS: Terry, I met Jerry by the use of my father bringing him to Memphis. My father had been injured on the job, and he went to Louisiana on the lookout for his first cousin, Jerry Lee Lewis, who he had not met. However he did know that he performed piano and sang. And my father had been in a band along with his brothers, you realize, when he was a child. And he wished to type a band, so he went and located Jerry, introduced him to Memphis. And when Jerry walked into our home, I used to be a 12-year-old child sitting on the kitchen desk doing my math homework – ponytail and crinoline and poodle skirt and all this. And I actually did not even know who Jerry was or what he was.

GROSS: Your marriage to him turned a scandal since you have been 13 and he was 22 and also you have been second cousins. Did that appear uncommon to you on the time – your age and marrying as second cousins?

WILLIAMS: It did to me. You have to bear in mind I grew up in a metropolis. I grew up in Memphis, Tenn., the suburbs of the town. Jerry grew up on a farm in Louisiana. The place he got here from, it was common. However when Jerry determined that he wished to marry me, I argued with him that I used to be too younger, and he argued again that I wasn’t. So I used to be very conscious of the age, that it was solely too younger.

GROSS: And I believe his sister had married when she was 12.

WILLIAMS: Sure. Sure.

GROSS: So it actually wasn’t that uncommon in his household.

WILLIAMS: It wasn’t uncommon. His mom had married, I believe, when she was 16. In fact, my mom married when she was 16. However they’d left that a part of the nation, and I had not been raised in that surroundings. So it was – you realize, it was method out of the unusual for me. However in Jerry’s household, it was nonetheless occurring.

GROSS: How did you get married because you have been underage?

WILLIAMS: Properly, Jerry went to the courthouse in Mississippi. He took a lady that posed as me. She signed the certificates and stated that she was Myra Gale Brown. They usually placed on there that she was 22 years previous. And they didn’t query her, in fact. And also you had a three-day ready interval, I consider, at the moment. And Jerry got here again from this journey to my home, known as me exterior within the automotive, and stated, sit down. I need to inform you one thing. I need to present you one thing. And he pulled out the wedding license.

And after I first noticed it, I believed we had gotten married. I couldn’t perceive how an individual may very well be married and never realize it. And when he stated, no, we will get married – and that is after I argued with him and stated, Jerry, I’m too younger for this. And he stated, no, you are not. My mom married younger, and your mom married younger. And I am making loads cash, and every little thing might be OK. And that is the purpose the place I jumped out of the automotive and slammed the door and ran off. And he got here after me. And he caught me, and he whirled me round. And he stated, Myra, I really like you, and I need to marry you. And I stated, properly, I really like you, too, Jerry. However I do not need to marry you proper now. I am too younger. And he stated, properly, it is now or by no means. And naturally, you would virtually say the remaining is historical past.

GROSS: You have been in what grade while you obtained married?

WILLIAMS: The eighth.

GROSS: Did you drop out after you have been married?

WILLIAMS: Terry, in 1958, there was a regulation that stated you would not attend college should you have been married, which was there to discourage younger marriages. However all, in essence, it discouraged was an schooling. So, in fact, I dropped out as a result of I needed to. However I’d have myself anyway as a result of, in fact, Jerry wished me to be with him. He wished me occurring the street with him.

GROSS: You realize, I am fascinated with what it should have been wish to be married – you have been 13, and he was 22 – however not solely to be married, to be married to this, like, super-libidinous husband, you realize?

(LAUGHTER)

GROSS: I imply, your husband was somebody who was singing probably the most type of wild, horny lyrics, you realize? And he actually had a really type of sexually charged persona as a performer. Did you are feeling in any respect bodily or mentally ready for a marital, sexual relationship?

WILLIAMS: No, I used to be not ready for something. I had no thought what was anticipated of me. I had no thought what I used to be speculated to do or how I used to be speculated to do it. I didn’t develop up and get married. I obtained married and grew up. And to me, it was probably the most pure factor on the planet, and probably the most regular, though I did notice that there was nobody else on the face of the earth that was dwelling life the identical method I used to be dwelling it.

GROSS: Did you discover sexuality regular or disturbing while you have been that younger?

WILLIAMS: I didn’t discover it disturbing. I do not know what I discovered it. I discovered it my obligation greater than anything. I used to be very unknowledgeable about something. As a matter of reality, I consider Jerry knew I used to be pregnant earlier than I did. I had no thought. I had no thought why I used to be sick.

GROSS: You might be actually a traditional instance of going from dwelling in your mother and father’ home to dwelling in your husband’s home and going from having mother and father because the authority figures to having husband as authority determine with out having any time as an impartial individual. And the impression I obtained is that Jerry Lee Lewis actually was an authority determine within the residence and that he tried to manage you in some ways. You say that he tried to decide on the garments you wore, the books you learn, advised you to not put on make-up, selected the data that you would hearken to. And I used to be actually curious what data he did not need you to hearken to.

WILLIAMS: If they’d his identify on them, I might hearken to them.

GROSS: The rest?

WILLIAMS: And in the event that they did not, I used to be not speculated to be listening.

(LAUGHTER)

GROSS: Did it seem to be – did it ever appear actually hypocritical to you that right here was this wild man whose conduct actually knew no bounds however for you, his spouse, he would draw the road and, you realize, make you toe the road?

WILLIAMS: It is known as a double commonplace, Terry.

GROSS: Proper.

(LAUGHTER)

GROSS: Have been you conscious of it being that method? Did you ever object to it while you have been 12? Or did you simply settle for, properly, that should be the way in which issues are?

WILLIAMS: No, I accepted it at that age. You see; I let Jerry increase me. I let him inform me what I used to be speculated to suppose and what I used to be speculated to consider. First off, I did not have anybody else to inform me, and I needed to develop up, so I needed to suppose one thing. And within the Deep South, you have to bear in mind, it is – a spouse was virtually a possession to her husband. My grandmother known as her husband mister. Now, that is fairly a time in the past, however nonetheless, that may virtually present you ways girls have been very subservient place to their husbands. So it was not unusual to me.

I believed every little thing he advised me. He spoon fed me life in little bitty sips, and I accepted it and sought no different opinion, by no means for a second considered disobeying him or not agreeing with him till I began rising up. After which I stated, wait a second. Someway all this cannot be proper. There’s a complete world on the market that is not going to agree with this. And after I began considering alone, I noticed that there was extra to life than what I used to be getting.

BIANCULLI: Myra Lewis Williams talking to Terry Gross in 1989 – extra after a break. That is FRESH AIR.

(SOUNDBITE OF JERRY GRANELLI’S “NEVER GONNA BREAK MY FAITH”)

BIANCULLI: That is FRESH AIR. Let’s get again to Terry’s 1989 interview with Myra Lewis Williams. She married Jerry Lee Lewis, her second cousin, when she was 13 years previous in 1958 and divorced him 13 years later in 1971.

GROSS: Properly, let’s describe the story just a little bit. What occurred was, as you stated, you went with Jerry Lee Lewis on tour to England. It was his first performances there. There was a giant press convention on the airport, I believe it was.

WILLIAMS: We arrived in London, and the press was there to satisfy and greet Jerry and take pictures.

GROSS: And one reporter requested who you have been, and also you stated that you simply have been Jerry Lewis’ spouse, and he requested you your age.

WILLIAMS: He requested my age. And I made a decision – Jerry had talked about me telling people who I used to be older, and he was attempting to inform people who I used to be older anyway. And as an alternative of being 13, I advised him I used to be 15. I believed, properly, that’ll make an entire lot of distinction. And the following day, it got here out within the press that Jerry – it stated Jerry Lee Lewis is right here along with his little one bride, Myra, who’s 15 years previous. And this was an unbelievable scandal. It was dangerous sufficient proper then. Then the following day, it got here out – it stated, Jerry Lee Lewis is right here along with his little one bride, Myra, who is admittedly 13 and is his second cousin. After which on the third and the final day, it got here out that Jerry Lee Lewis is right here along with his little one bride, Myra, 13 years previous, his second cousin, and he’s not legally divorced from his second spouse. After which we went residence. We have been requested to go away the nation. That was the tip.

GROSS: Did you are feeling like he was fairly properly blacklisted after the story broke?

WILLIAMS: Oh, he was. There isn’t any doubt about it. It was – for 10 years, Jerry’s data have been held off the air. He couldn’t get a good live performance date. There have been sure radio stations that may not contact him in any respect. Sponsors, greater than anything, stated, no, you’ll not play his music. He went from making $10,000 an evening to creating $200 an evening.

GROSS: Now, when his revenue plummeted and his profession type of stopped useless in its tracks, did he blame you for it due to your age, since you’d stated one thing to that reporter?

WILLIAMS: No, Jerry by no means blamed me. That was one benefit of Jerry. He by no means pointed the finger and stated, that is your fault. If he was ever placed on the spot with it, he would put his arm round me and say, I paid tens of millions of {dollars} for this little woman, however I really like her. And he by no means, for a second, blamed me.

GROSS: Did he nonetheless play at residence even when he wasn’t getting good efficiency dates?

WILLIAMS: Oh, sure. He performed each day. He performed two or thrice each day. Jerry would additionally make chords in the midst of the evening along with his fingers. If his hand was resting on my shoulder, it will be chording and taking part in. You may see him shifting. You realize, might see his fingers shifting.

(LAUGHTER)

GROSS: You have been pregnant while you have been 15 and – is that proper?

WILLIAMS: No, my little one was born after I was 14.

GROSS: Oh, OK. OK. And so that you had a son on the age of 14. And…

WILLIAMS: Sure, sure.

GROSS: He died on the age of three in a drowning accident in a buddy’s swimming pool. When that occurred, did you suppose God was punishing you?

WILLIAMS: No, I by no means thought that. Jerry thought God was punishing him.

GROSS: Uh-huh.

WILLIAMS: However I by no means thought God was punishing both of us. I simply don’t consider that God works that method.

GROSS: So that you say that Jerry, although, thought that God was punishing him with this dying. Was he afraid that he would go to hell due to the music that he performed and the life that he led?

WILLIAMS: Jerry was raised in a background of – a spiritual background – holiness, Pentecostal faith. It was very strict and really stringent about issues that you would not do. And Jerry stated in judgment of himself constantly – as a result of he might by no means get away from the elevating and the educating that he had – that, first off, he wasn’t speculated to be taking part in that type of music. He wasn’t speculated to be dwelling the life that he lived. And he was a person who was tormented each day by this – his expectations of what he ought to be doing versus, in actuality, what he was doing. So he was plagued by this. And Jerry believed once we misplaced our son that God was punishing him for not being what he was speculated to be.

GROSS: Jerry Lewis and his cousin Jimmy Swaggart have all the time been painted as these actually fascinating opposites who every have a part of the opposite inside them – you realize, that Jimmy Swaggart has a part of the satan in him and Jerry Lewis is – Jerry Lee Lewis can also be – you realize, has this type of non secular drive in him as properly and is all the time, like, caught between God and the satan. The place have been you in the midst of all of this? Have you ever been doing all of your life like a non secular individual, a believer?

WILLIAMS: Sure, Terry. I’ve all the time been very – I am not a particularly non secular individual, however I consider I am a really non secular individual. And I’ve all the time mainly sat on the ft of each of those males and listened to their directions. Jerry was by no means dwelling the life that he might – that he would inform you to reside. However there have been a few years that I lived the life that Jerry advised me to reside. He wished me to be good and pure and straight and, you realize, a Christian and every little thing. And he wished to have that type of residence. He wished that surroundings. Though he wasn’t part of it, he wished it there. There have been a few years – properly, our complete married life, for 13 years, Jerry didn’t enable anybody to return in our residence and drink. There was by no means, ever a bottle of liquor introduced into our home.

GROSS: Did you return to highschool after you left your husband?

WILLIAMS: I used to be going to highschool the complete time that I used to be dwelling with Jerry on and off, Terry, from – the one time I might go to highschool was when Jerry was gone as a result of Jerry didn’t like me going to highschool. So I’d go at evening when he wasn’t there. Or I’d go on a weekend when he was gone. I had constantly gone again and tried to get an schooling. I wasn’t after any explicit designation. I simply loved studying issues. I loved studying. I loved figuring out what occurred in numerous areas. And, sure, I ended up going again to highschool. And I ended up getting my actual property license. I have been in actual property virtually 10 years now.

GROSS: Do you see Jerry Lee Lewis in any respect anymore?

WILLIAMS: I noticed Jerry about 4 or 5 months in the past. I noticed him at a celebration that Dennis Quaid had in Memphis, a Thanksgiving celebration. And after I noticed him by means of the gang, he noticed me, and I noticed him. And I began towards him. And after I obtained near him, I put my arms out, and I hugged him.

GROSS: Myra Lewis Williams, thanks very a lot for speaking with us.

WILLIAMS: Thanks, Terry. I’ve loved it.

BIANCULLI: Myra Lewis Williams talking to Terry Gross in 1989. Myra married Jerry Lee Lewis, her second cousin, when she was 13 years previous in 1958 and divorced him 13 years later in 1971, and went on to a profession in actual property in Atlanta, Ga. Jerry Lee Lewis died October 28 at age 87. And to proceed our remembrance of him, we’ll conclude with rock critic Ken Tucker, who has an appreciation of the rock ‘n’ curler’s nation music facet. That is FRESH AIR.

(SOUNDBITE OF KEVIN EUBANKS AND STANLEY JORDAN’S “OLD SCHOOL JAM”)

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